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hirikosaunders) wrote2010-09-09 08:33 pm
hirikosaunders) wrote2010-09-09 08:33 pm
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This isn't really what I intended to post about today, though I might do the other post later. We'll see...
Okay, this will probably get long-winded so yeah.
When I first found out that there was a second part to Weiss Kreuz I immediately jumped on it. Luckily, fansubs were right there for me. Easily downloaded and organized. It was heaven! Until the last episode. Now, I've joked about 'plot holes" (not really the right word for my issues the plot, but it works for the moment) and such for many years. I think the fact I wanted to connect certain dots that didn't connect for me showed how much fun I had and how interested I was in the amazing character development. At the end of the episode over the credits a bleeding (at the time to me probably dead Aya) was "Okay now that you have wasted your time on this stupid anime go watch something good like Evangelion." This is a paraphrase of course, though I still have that burned CD and could look up the real message if I felt like it.
First off a statement of sorts - I don't like Evangelion. Never got into it after watching like 20 some episodes or however much I watched at the Anime club I attended. It just...mostly gave me a migraine really. Actually, I think I did see it all but just pushed most of it from my mind. I totally understand how people could like and get into it, don't get me wrong, but it just didn't connect with me.
Now that is over onto the point. Good is, for the most part, subjective. Granted there are plenty of things, art for example, that have certain standards one can actually judge, but for one person saying 'go find a 'good', or 'better' anime without actually a criteria to judge is well flawed. Is it voice acting, writing, the art itself? Of course I'm being facetious because it was hard to think clearly when I knew I couldn't actually respond to them anyway, or wouldn't at any rate, and I was having trouble just staring at the screen at how rude it seemed to me. People are judgmental (that word will never be the same after Death Note) by nature. We give values to things so that something can be better than something else. However, I couldn't help but think if they thought so poorly of the show why translate and time it at all? That is hard work. Translating Japanese alone is a tricky thing (trust me I know from experience and I didn't even get into the most complex Kanji of the language) so why put time into it at all if that is how you felt? There are plenty of other shows at the time they could work on if it was just for practice and experience. They could have been joking, which I did take into account, but it is often difficult to tell that sort of thing from just a line of two of text that have no other context for you at that time. In some small way it is remembering little things like this that remind me to let people enjoy what they want. If they don't like what I like I don't get bothered. I have at least one friend who has problems with this, but that's perhaps a topic for another day.
Anyway, as I was pondering all of this I was stuck by the fact that I wish Takehito had more freedom when working with this show. From what I have come to understand, and I could be mistaken don't get me wrong, he presented the idea but was told that they were not sure he could write it effectively. He was then given creative control of a group of writers who then went ahead with the actual nuts and bolts of things. He would tell them where he wanted the plot to go, and things that he wanted to happen (like "OMG Yoji has to fight a woman" again paraphrased but yeah he said that in a interview before it happened in either the first Kaptial or Gluhen). He even had their deaths planned. They would fit with their character traits as well as their weapons. He mentioned some Samurai or Ninja movie. I can find the interview and specific movie if anyone is really interested. He seems to, in a big way from what little I can tell, consider Weiss a tragedy that could only end with their death, because even though they kill for the right reasons they are still killers and will be judged someday, somehow (cue Johnny Cash 'God's Gonna Cut You Down'). Mostly I'm just curious where he would have gone if it had been just him thinking about his friends and his childhood of assassin/Ninja/Samurai movies ('cause apparently he skipped school all the time to go the movies and hang out and be a delinquent, as he called himself). Okay, so yeah all of that has sort of been floating around in my head and I thought I would share. I still say for character development you'd be hard pressed to find a better series.
I had something else I was going to say, but I've forgotten it. Maybe that's for the best and I'll remember it if is important.
I hope this was at least somewhat coherent and eloquent because for some reason I guess I just needed to write it down.
Okay, this will probably get long-winded so yeah.
When I first found out that there was a second part to Weiss Kreuz I immediately jumped on it. Luckily, fansubs were right there for me. Easily downloaded and organized. It was heaven! Until the last episode. Now, I've joked about 'plot holes" (not really the right word for my issues the plot, but it works for the moment) and such for many years. I think the fact I wanted to connect certain dots that didn't connect for me showed how much fun I had and how interested I was in the amazing character development. At the end of the episode over the credits a bleeding (at the time to me probably dead Aya) was "Okay now that you have wasted your time on this stupid anime go watch something good like Evangelion." This is a paraphrase of course, though I still have that burned CD and could look up the real message if I felt like it.
First off a statement of sorts - I don't like Evangelion. Never got into it after watching like 20 some episodes or however much I watched at the Anime club I attended. It just...mostly gave me a migraine really. Actually, I think I did see it all but just pushed most of it from my mind. I totally understand how people could like and get into it, don't get me wrong, but it just didn't connect with me.
Now that is over onto the point. Good is, for the most part, subjective. Granted there are plenty of things, art for example, that have certain standards one can actually judge, but for one person saying 'go find a 'good', or 'better' anime without actually a criteria to judge is well flawed. Is it voice acting, writing, the art itself? Of course I'm being facetious because it was hard to think clearly when I knew I couldn't actually respond to them anyway, or wouldn't at any rate, and I was having trouble just staring at the screen at how rude it seemed to me. People are judgmental (that word will never be the same after Death Note) by nature. We give values to things so that something can be better than something else. However, I couldn't help but think if they thought so poorly of the show why translate and time it at all? That is hard work. Translating Japanese alone is a tricky thing (trust me I know from experience and I didn't even get into the most complex Kanji of the language) so why put time into it at all if that is how you felt? There are plenty of other shows at the time they could work on if it was just for practice and experience. They could have been joking, which I did take into account, but it is often difficult to tell that sort of thing from just a line of two of text that have no other context for you at that time. In some small way it is remembering little things like this that remind me to let people enjoy what they want. If they don't like what I like I don't get bothered. I have at least one friend who has problems with this, but that's perhaps a topic for another day.
Anyway, as I was pondering all of this I was stuck by the fact that I wish Takehito had more freedom when working with this show. From what I have come to understand, and I could be mistaken don't get me wrong, he presented the idea but was told that they were not sure he could write it effectively. He was then given creative control of a group of writers who then went ahead with the actual nuts and bolts of things. He would tell them where he wanted the plot to go, and things that he wanted to happen (like "OMG Yoji has to fight a woman" again paraphrased but yeah he said that in a interview before it happened in either the first Kaptial or Gluhen). He even had their deaths planned. They would fit with their character traits as well as their weapons. He mentioned some Samurai or Ninja movie. I can find the interview and specific movie if anyone is really interested. He seems to, in a big way from what little I can tell, consider Weiss a tragedy that could only end with their death, because even though they kill for the right reasons they are still killers and will be judged someday, somehow (cue Johnny Cash 'God's Gonna Cut You Down'). Mostly I'm just curious where he would have gone if it had been just him thinking about his friends and his childhood of assassin/Ninja/Samurai movies ('cause apparently he skipped school all the time to go the movies and hang out and be a delinquent, as he called himself). Okay, so yeah all of that has sort of been floating around in my head and I thought I would share. I still say for character development you'd be hard pressed to find a better series.
I had something else I was going to say, but I've forgotten it. Maybe that's for the best and I'll remember it if is important.
I hope this was at least somewhat coherent and eloquent because for some reason I guess I just needed to write it down.